Showing posts with label DKW F89P. Show all posts
Showing posts with label DKW F89P. Show all posts

Friday, 2 June 2023

DKW Meisterklasse Project Update - Exhaust System


The condition of the car's exhaust system was pretty rough when I bought her. On the dockside, the exhaust gasket returned a positive test for asbestos, leading the car's empounding. At the dockside, my mechanic friends removed the gasket and the asbestos lagging that was connecting the resonator cylinder (box) from the rest of the exhaust pipe. It appears that the pipe had been cut at some point in the past and repaired simply by wrapping asbestos tape around the cut. When I removed the whole exhaust system from the car when it was in storage, I found that the tail end of the pipe was held in place by a piece of canvas rope. It would have been swinging around quite a bit when the car was driving.

What I have discovered as I've slowly restored this car is that Auto-Union were constantly changing and improving the F89P between its introduction in 1950 and its replacement by the F91 in late 1953. This is revealed through the often vast differences between what is published in the owner's manuals and what is actually on the car. For instance, the ignition system was completely changed during the three years of production, starting with a distributor connected to the Dynastart in the earliest manuals, through to the tried and true condensors and breakers of the prewar period - something Auto-Union would stick with until the Munga was retired in 1968. Similarly, the exhaust system was completely changed over the years.

The F7 and F8 models had a straight through pipe from the engine manifold to the rear of the car. For the F89P model however, a resonator box was added. This box - or more accurately, cylinder - was mounted to the exhaust manifold and was designed to reflect the exhaust pressure wave back towards the engine, minimising the loss of fuel mixture as the cylinders were cleared. This simple addition did a lot to improve the performance of these small engines.

The resonator box on my car was in terrible condition, being badly rusted and with several tears and holes. I thought it would be a rather easy matter to have a new one replicated in Perth, but I was wrong. No one wanted to touch it and I was quoted some ridiculous amounts to replicate it... "if we have time." That's the polite way of saying "go away."

So it was back to the markets in Germany, but these parts are hard to find. Also, the box was completely redesigned in 1953 when the four speed gearbox was introduced, as the gearbox was larger and required neighbouring parts to be adjusted to fit. After much fruitless searching, I was referred to Holger Behnke of Old Car Ranch in Spremberg, Germany. Holger manufactures reproduction exhaust systems for DKW and IFA vehicles, but he did not have an F89P exhaust in his inventory, so I sent him the parts and within a week it was done.

The new and the old

I look forward to getting this back in the car.

And now Holger will have an F89P exhaust system in his inventory. You can check out his parts and services online here: http://old-car-ranch.de/

Update 1 June 2023 - It arrives!

The reproduction looks great and is of good, heavy-gauge steel. Thanks Holger!

Friday, 27 January 2023

DKW Meisterklasse Project Update - carburetor and panels


Somewhere along the restoration journey my original carburetor disappeared. Undoubtedly it is in my garage in the bottom of a box some place. I'm sure it will appear the moment that I complete this project. Fortunately I had a spare carburetor body in my spares, but it was missing several important parts - most importantly the flange that mounts the carburetor to the engine. This part is unique to the F89P. I managed to obtain one from Germany (thank you Dirk!) late last year and it was consigned to the post.

As always seems to happen when you have a super critical part arriving in the post - the postman arrives when you're out. Except I wasn't out! I was home all day and left my front door open so that the postman could see I was home, but...no. Our normal postman is very good and he often stops for a quick chat, but some of the parcel post guys would rather slip a 'missed you' note in your letterbox, whether you're home or not, and do a runner. Sadly for me, the post office they dropped it off at had limited hours so I couldn't pick the flange up until the following week.

Nearly eight weeks waiting for this!

This is how it mounts to the engine.

And now the carburetor can be fixed to the engine.

But then I encounter 'mystery'. I wasn't sure how this was supposed to attach to the accelerator rod (on the right). It looked to me like it didn't belong.

A quick check of the owner manual reveals that this part doesn't belong on the carburetor.

Okay, so now it's fixed.

Panel Cleanup

The interior panels of the engine bay were a bit messy so I stripped down of their old paint and bitumen and repainted them in light green primer and bitumen black.

Much better looking now.

The interior of the wheel arches were very grubby too. When cleaning these up you could see that the sound deadening spray from the factory was very hit and miss. The black areas in the above photo are covered in the original bitumen deadener, but the light rusty areas are untouched and have consequently rusted.

The new bitumen paint will protect the underside for another 70 years.

I'm leaving the exterior paintwork 'as is.' The next step is the electrics. I have an auto electrician lined up to come and help me out in February. 

Part needed!

My vorshaldampfer (resonator box) is irreparable. I am on the look out for a replacement.

Does anyone know what is inside these?

Previous update:
https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2022/12/dkw-meisterklasse-project-wheels.html





Thursday, 15 December 2022

1953 DKW F89P Renovation - Sorbey Autocentre, Denmark


Sorbey Autocentre in Bilverkstad in Denmark has taken on a project to restore to running a 1953 DKW F89P Karmann-bodied four-seater cabriolet. They have been documenting the project on YouTube, which is excellent. It's all in Danish of course, but it's still good to watch. Enjoy!

Episode One:

Episode Two:

Episode Three:

Episode Four:

Episode Five:

Episode Six:

Episode Seven:

Episode Eight

Episode Nine

Episode Ten

Episode Eleven

Episode Twelve

Episode Thirteen

Episode Fourteen

Episode Fifteen

Episode Sixteen

Episode Seventeen

Episode Eighteen

Episode Nineteen

Episode Twenty

Episode Twenty One

Episode Twenty Two


Highlights video:


Car sold - October 2025


Sörby Autocenter AB Mekonomen Bilverkstad Ronneby
With the customer in focus, we always give you a comprehensive solution to meet your needs and simplify your workshop visit. As a guarantee of quality, we give you at least a 3-year warranty, and always carry out service according to the car manufacturer's recommendations. Which means that you always have your factory and new car warranty on the car and get an approved stamp in the service book.

We always work with high quality and service so that you as a customer can feel that your car is in safe hands. If you have questions or concerns about your car, you are welcome to swing by and we will be happy to answer them over a cup of coffee.

The service also includes a year's roadside assistance, which means that you get help in the event of, for example, a puncture, a petrol stop or an engine breakdown. Do you want to split the payment? We offer you 4 months of interest-free installments. Welcome!

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Saturday, 10 December 2022

DKW Meisterklasse Project - Wheels


Another day of small steps forward. I set myself the task of getting the wheels back on, then the car be taken off the blocks and moved around a little easier. I think it's been on blocks now for more than 18 months!

The left front wheel hub went on without any problem. Then I started on the right and... problem.

The hub has a keyway that locks the hub to the axle stub but...

The axle does not have a key... have I lost a part? Of course, I started cursing myself and thought I would have to back to the forums to work out what is missing, then remembered there was a mysterious component in my bag of brake parts.

And there it is. When I removed the brake hubs 18 months or so ago I remember this semicircular part falling out. I had no idea where it had come from but carefully packed it away with the brake components.

And it slotted straight into the hole and then the hub went back on, no problem.

Now we have two wheels back on. The rear hubs have proven a little more challenging to get back on. They required use of a hub puller to get off and it looks like they'll need a lot more pushing to get back on. There are three sets of bearings in the rear hubs and they do not exactly line up as you push the hub back in. Special tools and lot of sweating is required I think.

Next update:
https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2023/01/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update.html
Previous update:
https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2022/11/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update-little.html


DKW Meisterklasse Project Update - Little Steps


Car restoration can be a very slow process. Rewarding, but slow. Back in September 2022 I recieved the engine back and reinstalled it in the car. It seemed like I would be able to make some rapid progress at last, but not quite! There is always another obstacle.

Firstly, I thought I lost the carburetor. It was one of the first things I'd removed from the car when I got it home. I cleaned it up and put it in storage with my parts collection. However, I when I sent my engine for rebuilding, I could not find it anywhere. This was a problem! I did manage to find a spare carburetor I had obtained from Audi Tradition - back when they still sold DKW NOS parts - which I have been messing around with, but it is missing the mounting flange and the air-filter connector.

Like almost all DKW F89P parts, this is rather a rare part on the spares market. I'm still looking through my parts as I'm sure it has to be there somewhere. I mean, I haven't searched the fridge yet....but if you have a lead, I'd like to hear about it.

The radiator was in good condition and only needed a clean up, flush through and repaint. The pipes are attached and I mounted it back in the car. The original aluminium fittings mounting to the engine had eroded considerably but I managed to acquire modern reproductions, however, these appear to be for an F89L and not all of them fit the sedan. I reverted to the original engine top pipe. The bottom pipe (see below) fits okay but the other (top left) will need to cut to fit correctly.

Some assembly required

This piece is for an early F89L as the radiator is not behind the engine but mounted at an angle, tilted forward to left side of then engine (looking forward).

A simple slice and dice

And done.

Once the radiator was back in the car I was able to connect up the gear shifter, which runs through the top of the radiator housing. I was always uncertain how the gear shifter would work in practice. The gear lever is linked to the gear rod by a piece of rubber. When I acquired my car, the rubber was completely rotten and had fallen apart so I'd never seen how it worked. After connecting the two rods with an appropriately sized piece of rubber I was amazed how easily the gears shifted. It will take a little bit of getting used to however.


Update 6 December 2022

Thankfully, with a bit of searching in Germany an F89P carburetor flange has been found. Thanks Dirk. And it goes on (Jan 2023): https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2023/01/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update.html

Previous update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2022/09/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update-engine.html

Wednesday, 21 September 2022

DKW Meisterklasse Project Update - Engine Returns


I'm expecting my engine back tomorrow so it was time to go over the engine-bay / chassis once more so that I can put the engine straight back in. 

The first thing to do was to disarticulate the drive shafts again. I had 'dry mounted' them and had them back in their correct position previously, but these were only loosely mounted. By removing the bolts connecting the wheel hubs to the leaf springs (upper right in the picture), the wheel hub and drive shaft can be swung away from the chassis. I replaced the securing bolts back in position so that I don't lose them. I have tried to keep a track of all the bits and bobs I have removed from the car over time, but unfortunately the little plastic bags break, spilling their contents into the boxes of parts or the marker rubs off and then it becomes something of a mystery box....

The front engine mounts are a lots smaller diametre than the originals - which were rotten to the core. I hope these do. If not, I have larger ones but I feel they're a little too tall. There'll be a bit of fiddling around to do to get it right. Next photo should see the engine in place!

And it goes in! Kim (Kims Kustoms) dropped it by on Thursday 22 September 2022.

As has covered in many of the articles published on the blog about the development of the F9 (both the DKW and IFA version) - engine clearances are tight. Very tight. We had to remove a number of bolts in the leaf spring mounting so we can slip the rear end of the engine through to the mount. It was difficult to get it out so it was no surprise it was difficult putting it back.

But it did go in. Now the next phase of work begins!

After securing the engine to the chassis, I put the drive-shafts back in. Removing them had proven to be relatively easy. Once the top bolts (joining the wheel to the front leaf suspension arm) and the shock absorber was removed, the wheel could be dropped down and the drive shaft simply slipped out of the donut. Not so going back in! There was simply no way to get the drive-shaft back into the hole without also removing the lower suspension arms (the V frame). They were a bastard to remove and put back in. I have new synthetic bushes in the lower suspension and they fit very tightly so lining up the holes for remounting was extremely challenging, but I did manage it in about three hours each side.

Here's the old crankshaft. It goes into the box of rejects.

Previous Restoration Updates:
1. DKW Meisterklasse Import April 2017: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2021/05/1953-dkw-f89p-meisterklasse-import.html
2. Welcome to 2019: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2019/01/welcome-to-2019.html
3. DKW Meisterklasse Project February 2020 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2019/12/dkw-project-update.html
4. DKW Meisterklasse Project April 2020 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2020/04/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update-april.html
5. DKW Meisterklasse Project June 2020 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2020/05/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update-may.html
6. DKW Meisterklasse Project September 2020 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2020/09/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update.html
7. DKW Meisterklasse Project December 2020 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2020/12/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update.html
8. DKW Meisterklasse Project January 2021 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2021/01/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update.html
9. DKW Meisterklasse Project February 2021 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2021/02/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update.html
10. DKW Meisterklasse Project May 2021 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2021/04/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update-april.html
11. DKW Meisterklasse Project December 2021: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2021/12/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update.html




Thursday, 15 September 2022

DKW Meisterklasse Project Update - September 2022


And then things began to move very quickly.... Once the missing seals and bearings were obtained, the engine rapidly went back together.

The primary drive side.

It has been a long time getting to this point, but the end is now in sight.

Once again, little parts slowed down progress. In putting the Dynastart back together the brushes and points I had in my parts stock proved not to be correct. I take it the issue here is that F89P brushes are a lot like F7 or F8 brushs - like, but not exactly the same.



I have dozens of sets of points from the prewar period, for my F94 3=6 car and the F89P points I'd purchased for the restoration. I suspect that some of these parts have been mixed up over time, with different points being put into boxes labelled for other vehicles. This one in the above photo is supposed to be for a F89P - but no.

But then again, a little cleaning up and customizing the points and....


Previous Restoration Updates:
1. DKW Meisterklasse Import April 2017: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2021/05/1953-dkw-f89p-meisterklasse-import.html
2. Welcome to 2019: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2019/01/welcome-to-2019.html
3. DKW Meisterklasse Project February 2020 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2019/12/dkw-project-update.html
4. DKW Meisterklasse Project April 2020 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2020/04/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update-april.html
5. DKW Meisterklasse Project June 2020 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2020/05/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update-may.html
6. DKW Meisterklasse Project September 2020 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2020/09/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update.html
7. DKW Meisterklasse Project December 2020 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2020/12/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update.html
8. DKW Meisterklasse Project January 2021 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2021/01/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update.html
9. DKW Meisterklasse Project February 2021 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2021/02/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update.html
10. DKW Meisterklasse Project May 2021 Update: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2021/04/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update-april.html
11. DKW Meisterklasse Project December 2021: https://dkwautounionproject.blogspot.com/2021/12/dkw-meisterklasse-project-update.html